I have the steering head stem removed and now want to remove the bearing cups from the upper and lower ally frame stearing head inserts. I have bearing removal tools/puller that normally expand just behind a bearing rear surface, but the panni's bearing sit so flush i cant get anything behing them to pull them and cant push them out with a punch from the other side either . Anybody been able to do this with out destroying the alloy head inserts. ?
Give Carl Harrison Motorcycles a ring (01379 852020). He's done it twice on my 1199 and 1299 when I removed the frame for Cerakoting and had him remove the steering bearing inserts. He also replaced them after. I know he heated up the frame first, but as to what tools or technique he used, you best ask him. He is closed tomorrow (Mondays) but is open Tue-Sat.
Cheers Fella Just changing the upper/lower head plates to 1199R to reduce rake by .5deg , i wil get new bearings/seals i think for the new plates - make it easier to swap back if i dont like it. The main challenge now is the removal of the bottom bearing case on the steering stem , again i cant get anything behind it to push/pull - crazy design.. I'm wondering if you have to push the steering stem out of the lower yoke to get it of, its defo not in the workshop manual.
Easiest way is to cut through the race with a dremel and grinding wheel. Just deep enough to split the race and slide or prise it off but not so deep that you go through to the stem. When you come to replace it with a new one, place the bottom yoke/stem assembly into the freezer and heat up the new race in the oven for 10 mins. You will need to fashion an aluminium punch or drive to then fit it onto the stem but you will need to work quickly.
Cheers fella The old one was removed with a puch and wd40 ;-) I will defo put lower yoke in freezer to help put new race on + wd40
Can anybody confirm which way round the 1199R plates go into the frame - been looking for a 1199R workshop manual but cant find one easily.. These are teh parts ordered fromMoto Rapido an don invoice it states.. 75610361AA part ordered STEERING BUSH OPTION 1199R/899 24.5 deg 5MM = L MARKING ON RIGHT 23.5 DEG -5MM = L MARKEING ON LEFT So i am assuming....sitting on bike facing forward.. Top plate goes with "L" to the left which would move the top yoke forward 5mm Now for the bottom plate ... If you flipp the part upside down with the "L" still on the left , then the bottom yoke would come backwards the 5mm Thus giving the 23.5deg rake
I think this confirms what i thought ;-) its a 2015 1299s but same principle.. So "L" rermains on left side of bike
Awakening an old thread, from the US! I've got a 2012 Panigale 1199S--with lazy steering turn-in, wanting to install these steeper-angle head bearing mounts to correct the problem. Can anybody here confirm that bearing mount part# 75610361AA reduce the 1199 24.5º steering angle to 24º? I'm in touch with Ducati Omaha to order these, but they can't guarantee fitment due to the above part number referenced only to 1199R and 1299. Surely they will fit my 2012 1199S, yes?
All seems like a bit of clueless, I think I’ve heard, not too sure… but I’ll plough on to me! 23.5 is a massive step and very detrimental to the bikes already conservative trail . To do this one thing on its own is dangerous.. to do it with a I’m not too sure process is silly. There are numerous other things to consider and generally it’s not just one thing you alter. Where is the rear ride height? How are you measuring? Are you measuring consistently and accurately?
Why would you assume I've not covered all that? I've experimented with both F/R ride heights, I'm measuring accurately thank you. The 1199 steering angle is 24.5º, this was updated in the 1199R and beyond, 1299, 959, V4 line) to 24º, according to my research. If this is not correct, please do update that info here. From the very first day I've owned my 1199S, I've noticed the weird turn-in/steering characteristics--thus my experimentation, and desire to correct it, with a little sharper steering angle. So, to repeat my question, can anybody here confirm that the bearing mount 75610361AA will indeed insert into the 1199 front frame with no issue? I can't imagine it won't but would like additional confirmation if possible.
i did this mod on my 1199s, and also paired it with the rear swing arm pivot from the 1199R. let me check the part numbers i used
this is the parts I used for the steering head change, combined with the 1199r rear pivot it transformed the bike.
You sound like you are all over it, well done .. oh apart from will the bearing cups fit and which way around is what. The bearing cups 1199 1299 v4 all externally fit all the frames If you look at the RS catalogues there are tens of options available not only in rake angle but also moving the centre line forward as at 23.5 you are getting close to tyre v radiator particularly with the taller tyres and offset yokes to regain the trail lost .
Wow--this is great info--I'd love to know more about the 1199R swingarm pivot mod as well. I'll take your part numbers and start exploring. Looks like you included new seals and bushings for everything. I appreciate the informative post. If I can find a way to improve my 1199S handling, it'll go a long way towards continuing my desire to keep it rather than trading up to a V4-
i first used the original engine side plate/footrest mounts, and then bought the mounts a little later. set to -4 and with the added head angel changes the bike turns well and doesn't feel like its 'ploughing' or understeer (?) for this mod you will need to pull the swingarm and remove the right hand side ( rear brake lever) bearing and inner bushing to fit the inner eccentric. a good opportunity to strip clean and renew all the relevant bearings at the same time.
I love the process us guys go thru to keep these crazy fast beasts doing what they do to keep us feeling alive! It's great to read. I understand the 1199 is more focused than my 1299. More power to you, sir!
