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40 Years Since Thatcher

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by richgilb, May 6, 2019.

  1. Your point only applies to PMs? OK I’ll bite just this once...
    Jim Callaghan-presided over disastrous boom & bust economics that crippled the country, caused unprecedented strike action, propped up failing UK manufacturing like Leyland with no real managed investment plan & did more to “create” the Thatcher years than anything else.
    Tony Blair-took us into an illegal war that won’t be paid off in my lifetime on a lie
    Gordon Brown-Sold off the UK’s gold reserves at a pittance against all the economic advice to prop up his governments failing economics (which was later joked about by the outgoing chancellor “good luck, there’s no money left”).

    And so on..
    Lists are for playgrounds.They suit an argument only if you ignore the other side.

    Peace & love y’all!
     
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  2. No I agree Harry, we need regular changes of power. I’d vote labour this time if Andy Burnham or Chuka Umuna we’re running the gaff.
     
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  3. Who knows, Thatcher may have been good if only in for one term? Certainly growing up in that era has taught me that letting them continue for multiple terms ends in tears (Tony B proved that point)
    Enough politics who's got some pictures of motorbikes?
     
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  4. But let's remember............the Tories got rid of Thatcher.

    So why is May still PM?

    She has been proved to be worse than any other PM in only a few years; but like a limpet she is stuck there.
     
  5. Touche, they didn't get it right since the end of WW2 its called the domino effect.
    love you to Sy
     
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  6. Thatcher was hard to shake - May has learnt how to avoid being shaken?
     
  7. Foggy Mog called the -once a year- no confidence vote without working out the numbers. May played him for a the fool that he is.
     
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  8. Just for the rather selectively minded about strikes, unemployment and bad government or as I like to call them, Labour supporters :D


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    Or as it's otherwise known , the winter of discontent, or Labour's in charge, or Jim Callaghan or...the reason why Thatcher was elected :D

    There is the other point too for the selective mutants within you :D

    If everything Thatcher did was bad, why did these two who followed a few years after she left and supported by the unions, why didn't they change it back?

    Blair and Brown in power for 13 years don't you know, surely long enough to correct Thatchers errors?
     
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  9. Pink Tories
     
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  10. I miss her so........and Spitting Image!
     
  11. Folks complain about "2-party politics" but I am wondering whether this is what we have in the UK.

    I will listen to arguments that we in fact have a single organisation in government (aka an "Establishment"), with semi-regular changes of names and faces after elections, that represents a single political force, but which bears a surface-level resemblance to "political change" when one "party" is voted out and the other takes office. A faux-democracy, where there is never a real chance at real change ... only ever more of the same.

    Consider - for all the swapsies we have had over forty years, Labour-Tory-Labour-Tory, what has really changed? Elites are still elites, the lower orders get bribed with ever-better toys and games in order to keep them labouring away and keeping the Elites' troughs full ... and the EU Project continues to rumble inexorably on.

    Doubt my word? I'll prove it. The next Labour Government will not feature Corbyn/McDonnell and will not espouse socialism and communism, but will instead be all about "muh Europe" and "we are all global citizens". You'll be hard pressed to identify important differences between the next Labour Government and the previous one. Or the previous Tory government for that matter.

    Modern UK politics is, at its heart, all "bread and circuses", with a single goal - elimination of the nation state whilst fooling the electorate that there is a functional democracy.

    We also see this across the Atlantic, in the USA. Dems and RINOs, pretending to oppose each other but both committed to keep the status quo - creeping globalism - alive. Trump is a blip, to be vehemently opposed, in case his brand of national pride and self-reliance fires up the public's imagination and creates a sustained backlash.

    Or did you think the US political establishment opposes Trump because "orange man bad"?

    It's all so obvious these days.
     
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  12. Totally agree Loz, unless.........
     
  13. We have Trump as the next Prime minister, he is half Scottish ya know
     
  14. that'll do as long as his other half is welsh
     
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  15. He gets my vote.
     
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  16. Maybe as they refurb parliament, we can refurb politics too. Is it time for a President, like much of Europe and the world?

    How do we break this ‘Tory scum....Labour communist’ cycle of abuse of blinkeredness?
     
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  17. hmm, :thinkingface:
    :D
     
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  18. And half German - that should work perfectly :upyeah: where do I vote? :D
     
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  19. Yes, unless ...

    Wait. Unless?
     
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  20. Nah, no spoilers yet.
     
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