agree with the ted videos ;0 however of the 35% of christians 50% of them are like myself,not really christians,just born into the title but not really enthused by religion of any name. where as ,100% of muslims are muslims 100%... in reality muslims make up a far greater percentage of "beleivers" than any other brainwashed group on this planet. no i dont worry,i have no children and im an old fart n will be dead soon enough,its the rest of you younguns that should be taking more notice of the way the worlds going. could always join mateys church i spose and laugh at all the old folk and their "ways"..fk,hard to believe ive read that tbh..
But are things really so bad? Stats show that murder rates are falling all over the world. Globalisation has increased prosperity. It has facilitated the spread of international crime, but it is probably reducing local crime. People always think that everything is getting worse and worse, but it just isn't. People have always thought that things were getting worse and worse. Would you swap life now for life in 1974? I wouldn't. The media stokes up this idea of crisis everywhere, but there is no crisis. There are problems that need solving; there always have been. Anecdotally, did you see the suicide bomber they captured in Baghdad on the news yesterday? He was just a poor 17 year old impressionable kid who bitterly regretted what he had been about to do. He's not a "nutter", just an impressionable youth who has been submitted to intolerable peer pressure. It's always the same - child soldiers are everywhere. They are not inherently evil It's the 50-year-olds who are doing the brainwashing. Fat chance of any of them being stupid enough to believe their own hype and blowing themselves up. Odd that, isn't it?
Haven't you seen that film, what's it called? Meet The Fascists? It was shot exclusively on location in the Middle East with the exception of a few bits of advance publicity footage shot in New York, Madrid, Bali, Paris, Copenhagen and near a barracks in south east London. Fascism is alive and well and living in a town near you. It has just changed its name to Radical Islam. And moderate Islam, if there can be such a thing when it encapsulates following a bloodthirsty sexist, racist, bigoted tome like the Koran, is your wolf in sheep's clothing. Care to reassess?
agree but one slight change,50yrs muslims that are doing the brainwashing i havent met a uk youngster yet who got a brain let alone one thats washable.. sorry,forum keeps lagging or something,keep losing my place..
But have you got any evidence for this? I doubt it. Mosque-goers among many Muslim communities aren't so common. Do you think that most of Bradford youth are going to mosques? They're not. And what about the very religious South and North America? If you want to see packed churches... People are people. Most of them see their "faith" as a cultural badge, a sense of roots, like being an MUFC supporter. They are not zealots. It's as true for "Muslims" as for "Christians". Your opinions are being informed by what you read and what you see on the TV, where Muslims are always leaping about chanting death threats and waving banners. Most of them are just spending their days scratching out a living.
That may or may not be true. However, it does not reduce the potential for pain and suffering to be inflicted on innocents if the current round of violence escalates or is escalated by Isis fighters gaining entry to Europe via Italy. Easy enough for them to disguise themselves as asylum seekers in their bid to establish their caliphate. It's obviously doomed to failure in a big-picture sense but the collateral damage as western governments mobilise to defeat it could be enormous. Remember, we and the USA thought Hitler was a little local hooligan once. And would you feel so safe if Iran became a nuclear power? The Israelis certainly wouldn't.
It's an incredibly difficult problem. Islamic extremists want to replace democratic principles with teachings from the Qu'ran and the Hadiths. They wish to see Sharia in effect. Everywhere. That means all places. Including in your home. So-called moderate Musilms do not want to blow people up or behead them, but they are unlikely to fight to the last man to resist Sharia. If it comes, it comes and they will adapt. They represent a significant chunk of population who will not fight against the kind of terrorism that radical Islam represents. There are broadly two courses of action or rather, there is a course of action and there is the option of inaction. If you believe that Muslims will become the majority section of the population within your children's lifetime, decide as to whether you are happy to let the chips fall where they may - democracy or theocracy. If yes, you are happy with this, you need do nothing. If you do not believe that there will be such a shift in demographic, again, you need do nothing. If you believe that there is a problem, or a potential problem, you have to ask yourself, "Do I want to try to affect the outcome?". If yes, how far are you willing to go? At the very minimum, if you need to be considering immigration controls. If this is unacceptable to you, if this is something you find morally repugnant, you have no further options in terms of active solutions, as this is possibly the least reactionary step you can take. The other active solutions are less palatable, from a human rights standpoint. There is of course another alternative, espoused by our very own @Pete1950 - provide support and encouragement for Muslims who wish to break away from the system of control that Islam represents. Make it possible (and attractive) to leave the faith, and the coercions inherent therein. This is the most morally neutral solution but it is also the most chancy as it relies upon individual Muslims wishing to make the change. It's quite a passive response to an active threat. This last is my preferred option. If we cannot persuade others that our Western values are superior, we have no option but to fight for them or let them go. I do not advocate rounding up people on the basis of their faith and interning them. If we become the kind of society that wants that, I want no part of it. I do not want our society become the thing I hate in an effort to remain the society it is.
thats all ive got though,the media etc to get any information really. i lived in bradford,birmingham,london and mixed,best as i could,with them but its was they who distrusted me and closed me out,ive never met any who have confided that they didnt beleive,ive met lots of christians who have openly said as i do,that i dont. im open minded but im also openly aware,but ultimately know theres nothing i can do to influence the world,what will happen,will happen. im afraid to say i perhaps could have tried harder,or perhaps ,better,,ashamed to say.. tsk sorry way to much net lag,ill come back later
Have to take issue with that. My son got a good degree in politics and law last summer and is working full time for a small charity after working for them for free for six months because he wants to make a positive contribution to society by helping a marginalised section of the community. Neither is it the youngsters, generally, who are the problem - or so my teacher friends tell me!
I have no problems with immigration controls. I voted for them a few months back here in Switzerland. I don't believe that your country should just accept anyone and everyone without limitation. I would definitely clamp down on spouses arriving from other countries with no language skills, no education and no intention of acquiring either. This does not infringe their human rights. They can stay where they are and enjoy all of them. You probably can't just rock up from Chile and obtain the right to live and work in the UK, so why should you from Pakistan?
something else i caught on to, all country's since they became independent from there colonial over lords have become wealthier?. just saying. :smile:.
In my opinion we should bear in mind that in the West, if a Christian religious group (say Catholics) tried to impose their religion by force upon another Christian religion (say, Church of England) it would be resisted. With the Muslims, the impression is that when the IS jihadis try to impose their beliefs upon moderates of their own religion the moderates fold under the pressure and join, purely to stay alive or revel in what IS are doing. This where the danger appears to be. BBC News - Boy and girl, 16, arrested in Greater Manchester terror raids
Well, no it isn't, fortunately. You can go into a bookshop, or browse on Amazon and find a wealth of books about any topic. I have read several on the Iraq War, the Bush administration and other topical things. You will end up being a lot better informed than just sticking to the mainstream media. Knowledge is out there and quite easy to find. You just have to look for it (not very hard).
ah but "i havent met" is my disclaimer so please dont take issue/offence none is intended,we live in very different worlds as does "any" teacher ive met.. well done to your son,politics and law,not something youd normally see in one sentence..
Ok kids. Currently being 6000 miles away, 6 hours behind the UK and having to do my job, I cannot read every thing that has been posted in the forum. However I have just caught up with the name calling and general childish behavior around pages11 and 12. Once again I will remind you that debate is good, but name calling/abusive behavior isn't! If you feel you are about to resort to it, then think again. Or I will have to step in again and take action. And I REALLY don't want to. I have had to take action on this occasion, including editing/deleting posts. Thanks for your understanding and support.
getting hang of quoting to keep up now. yes i meant all media,internet mainly for me,books less so i find as most seem written with a bias of the author and are often out of date with current events and indeed previously restricted information coming to light since publishment etc. its all down to either being heavily involved in the subject,in which case working in a quarry earning a pittance wont be possible or indeed relying on all and any information being made available by others,news,goverments etc etc.people who do have the time or its indeed their job to know,providing me with whatever information they deem they want me to know.. i have to take the second route mostly as i also have many other things to worry about,any spare time in my life is spent sleeping,as much as possible..a much nicer place i find im simply not clever enough to fix this problem i think,i mean ive spent 60yrs trying to understand women and have failed miserably,what chance have i got of sorting out the religions of the world..
Of course they have - because they were colonies centuries ago! Some colonialists were worse than others. You won't hear a good word about the Germans, Dutch and Belgians, for example, in their their former, But we left India with some structural benefits, so much so that when I was there my guide told me "India was better under the Raj because we were all under the same flag"! And Martinique and Guadeloupe actually voted to stay part of France when offered the chance and are among the wealthiest countries in the Caribbean I believe. I can vouch for the affluence of the former compared to the other islands I have visited but not the latter as I have never been there, so stand to be corrected! Colonialisation created problems, obviously, but its a bit lazy to blame the world's ills on it in the 21st century when we and the countries concerned have had centuries to learn from it. Neither you or I would be as rich or well placed to comment on such things had it not occurred either. And please remember that it was not the English Empire, it was the British Empire and the Scots were among its most enthusiastic creators. England was a colony once too, of course - of Rome. What did it ever do for us?:smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:
