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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. The never would is because our country is so full of lefties that if we ever had a "department for protection of the european way of life" but substituted european for British, 100% on the money, they would lose their shit and claim it to be a racist and xenophobic tm 749er body and they would be right.

    Just by the output it looks like they are saying white european. If you heard and asked who in europe would have such a department, I'd suggest if you said Viktor Orban, people would not be surprised but the fact it is the eu themselves is another tick moving towards a clone army of countries and one particular version

    Dare I say it, this IS genuinely something they did in the 30's. After Hindenburg was promoted to the role as Chancellor in 1933 Shortly after, the Reichstag passed the Enabling act of 1933, which began the process of transforming the Weimar republic into Nazi Germany, a one party dictatorship based on the totalitarian and autocratic ideology of national socialism.

    Understandable but I think the shetlands ones as with many outlying islands is mostly for when the chip eaters turn up and to protect the locals from tourists

    I believe the U.K. figure for cameras is mostly based on the 422,000 cameras in London https://www.quora.com/Which-country-has-the-most-cctv

    The mememe is more about people think they are entitled to do anything without being challenged, this more so by the U.K.'s youth than any other european country, that is why so many european criminals come here
     
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  2. The actions are judicial reviews of the decision making process.

    Grounds for JR are;

    Ultra vires/error of law.

    Irrationality/“Wednesbury” unreasonableness.

    Procedural impropriety.

    Breach of ECHR.

    There’s a lot of crossover between the grounds though.

    The court does not replace the decision with its own but simply determines whether the decision taken by the public body was taken properly.

    If it finds it wasn’t, the court issues an injunction overturning the decision and sometimes also giving other relief such as requiring the public authority to take some step or other to undo matters.

    I must confess I haven’t actually been following the cases themselves so I don’t know the ins and outs, but I imagine the remedy sought by the applications is for an injunction (interdict in Scotland) quashing the decision and for an order of mandamus requiring BoJo to ask the Queen to recall Parliament.

    I’m not sure how that would work in this instance though, as the English (Miller) case is lagging behind the Scottish one, so there are now conflicting decisions and to order the Scots Parliament to be reconvened while the English/Welsh one remains closed would be yet another farcical aspect of this debacle. My guess is that the English High Court case will be appealed direct to the Supreme Court by way of the “leapfrog” route and then will he consolidated and heard together with the Scottish appeal.
     
    #38322 Zhed46, Sep 11, 2019
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  3. Gina millers case which she lost and is also going to appeal, had the judges justify the decision as

    Lord Doherty told the court: "In my view, the advice give in relation to the prorogation decision is a matter involving high policy and political judgement. This is political territory and decision making which cannot be measured against legal standards, but only by political judgements.

    Accountability for the advice is to Parliament and ultimately to the electorate, and not to the courts."

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...ohnson/news/106333/high-court-throws-out-gina
     
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  4. Looks like the Scots, and England and Wales cases are both heading to the Supreme Court. Does that Court apply Scots Law, England & Wales Law, or both?
     
  5. One of the many. That Grayling was a central member of the Conservative government for the past fourteen years should give pause to everyone with a brain who voted for them.

    Grayling was
    The Shadow Leader of the House of Commons
    Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions
    Shadow Secretary of State for Transport
    Shadow Home Secretary
    Department for Work and Pensions
    Lord Chancellor State for Justice
    Leader of the House of Commons
    Minister for Transport

    Its fair to say his performance in all these roles has been well below par, and in several instances a total disaster.

    I wonder what Tory voters think? How do they reconcile voting for a party that has complete twats in important positions, for over a decade - presumably without even realising or deliberately!
     
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  6. It won’t be Scots Law
     
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  7. Corbyn depending on your view could be all of those things. But when compared to the petulant child clown who loses every issue, you do have to stop & wonder!
     
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  8. When you're talking about Grayling I would agree how on earth did he get any government post but I have to be honest, the possibility of Dianne Abbot as a future Home Secretary isn't exactly filling people with confidence either
     
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  9. Execellent way to promote rebellion and public uprising ; cumilating in Revolution if history books are to be believed.
     
  10. Both.

    Fun fact - the Supreme Court, sitting as “The Judicial Committee of the Privy Council” also still hears appeals from certain Commonwealth countries, especially some parts of the West Indies*, and these include a couple of capital cases per year :astonished:



    * One that most people will probably be aware of was the case of Joghee in 2017 which overturned/rectified decades of error in the law on joint enterprise.
     
  11. Noobie can you ever discuss an issue without bringing in the "My Dads better than yours" into to play?

    Point of fact. Abbot has yet to be a total and complete failiure in five Ministerial roles over a period of ten plus years. Nor has she ever contracted a ferry company that has not ships, sailors or docking arrangements!

    Now she could do do so in the future but surely even you can accept that Grayling should never have been allowed to continue in these roles?

    If Abbot does become a Grayling-esque failiure, I expect she will be gone & quickly too. And rightly so.
     
    #38331 Jez900ie, Sep 11, 2019
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  12. But in this case it will be which law

    Which takes precedence?
     
  13. This case opens a huge can of worms, and theres sure to be some unintended consequences...

    If Boris has any of the common sense he was born with left between his ears, he will reconvene Parliament and drop this foolish venture as fast as is humanly possible.
     
  14. Scottish?…………..:eyes:
     
  15. No such thing as Scottish Law

    But you know that
     
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  16. Isn't it amazing how both courts find in favour of the government who wants Brexit, and the Remoaners don't accept it so get the chance to go again and in the case to get the decision they want. I guess once the Supreme Court decision has been made in favour of remain it can't then be appealed as it would be against the establishment Remoaners :bucktooth: you really couldn't make it up :joy:
     
  17. You sure? :eyes:

    Screenshot 2019-09-11 at 19.03.08.png
     
  18. I'm fairly certain -thanks to Radio4- that the Scots ruling currently takes precedent as it is a higher court.
     
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