If I could, I would genuinely try to shut down every one of these guys who buys bikes and breaks them for profit.
Why? do you work for a official ducati dealer. People that break bikes save the average punter a fortune or if you really like having your pants pulled down go to a official ducati dealer for performance parts.Pmsl. No wonder I sold a few genuine carbon 998R and 999R seat units.Have you seen the price from ducati.
I can understand breaking a crash damaged bike that has been written off. But to buy perfectly good whole and rare bike to break for pure profit is a cynical effort by any purported 'biker'. These rare bikes, some being homologation specials like an SPS/R etc, will never be made again - they were designed to be ridden/raced/used as intended. So many try to maintain and restore them to save them from going to the breakers yard - this is part of their allure and value. And the reason you probably sold a few genuine parts is that owners of these bikes actually often want to have a couple spare.
No the reason I sold them is my price was about £400 less than at official ducati dealer ie £900 plus for carbon R seat units.Plus out of the 7 or 8 I sold 6 went to bp,sps and s owners. To be honest once bike is purchased I don't care what people do with them.Set em on fire and role em off a cliff if that's what floats there boat.As for breaking uncrashed bikes.Good I say.I don't want parts off a bike that has been in a bad accident as I would not trust them. I hope one of these breakers gets there hands on a nice 1098R so I can buy the engine and shoehorn it into my old bike.Only way this will happen as id probably faint if given the price for a 1098R engine new via a official dealer.At the end of the day breakers pay less money so someone ie a private buyer should place more realistic bids.Seriously bids must be piss poor if breakers are able to snap them up. So id say to all the ducatisti put your money where your mouth is and stop being so bloody tight arsed when bidding for nice bikes.That way the breakers wont get a look in.
I think it is a shame when an original bike is broken for parts and the truth is that a Ducati is worth more in parts than to sell as a whole bike and it's been like that for some years now. Extras mean nothing when selling a bike so If I sold mine then I would put it back to totally standard bike and try and make some more money selling off those extras. It might mean I could buy myself another Ducati replacement which maybe I could not otherwise afford. Parts for older bikes like the 748 and 749 series bikes are slowly getting harder to buy or find. I have already come across a few deleted parts for the 748 series that I can no longer buy from a dealer unless he has old stock. My "comfort" is that if someone is breaking a bike be it whole or damaged it might mean that somewhere another bike is being resurrected or maybe even more and hopefully of the same model. So one bike being broken might see several more on the road and at least it might keep that model going a bit longer. Some I admit may not be original and it is always a shame to see the rarer bikes getting less and less. Nothing lasts absolutely forever unless it ends up in a museum or being passed down within a family or something. Eventually many bikes will go by the wayside one way or the other. Even if you ride 5 miles a year say, you could pick a day to go for a ride and then fall off or have an accident and see the bike written off. What is unfortunate is the amount some people want to charge for spares that often new do not cost what they are advertising them for. But that's down to others doing their homework or not wanting to be bothered with any hassle in shopping around. You pays your money and you makes your choice, and no one holds a gun to anyone's head over it. If you don't want to pay over the odds for something then walk away. Just my take on something which is a bit of a grey area.
Who said that they were "bikers". They are not trying to kill or maim people. They are trying to make a few quid. Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah seen them before...not really in the market for one, however if one came up cheap enough i maybe tempted
Breaking a bike that was made in very small numbers or a small run limited edition isn't what should be done IMO! Stripping things like a gsxr 600 or a 748 bib/998mono or something gives people the opportunity to buy bits used that are common through the series of that bike (accident consumables) Breaking a written off bike is a different kettle of fish, who would want a Cat C 1098R or such like? My personal opinion of Cat C write offs is they should all either be broken or used only for the track (Cat D's are a different thing all together) The thing that really grates on me is the fact some of these "Brakers" are selling Ducati bits MORE expensive than what you can buy the stuff brand new from the dealers!! For example, i couldnt find anyone selling an indicator for anything less tham £15 on ebay the other week...phoned the dealers and worked out 50p cheaper for a brand new one posted next day!
Work both ways and if people are stupid enough to pay more than brand new part from official dealers then they deserve everything they get. I got my lovely Akrapovic evo full system from a guy in Germany breaking a very nice 996SPS with some top notch extras on it.Got it for a great price.If I had gone to a official dealer they would have relieved me of over £2300 for same item. Like red998 states many bikes are kept running thanks to breakers and many projects started or finished thanks to them.I don't see why breaking a ducati sps or r is any different from gsxr etc.They are just bikes nothing more nothing less. If I was offered piss take money for my 916SPS I would break it for parts.
Red- in terms of picking up any hard to get parts for the sps etc, what would you be looking for ? my rad has a few stone impacts etc and ive started keeping an eye out for a good one as a spare, any other bits getting unobtainable yet?
Rear brake lever return parts have been deleted for the SPS but you can use the newer pin and spring from say a 998. Correct bodyparts such as panels are in short supply but no doubt some will be available unpainted as that is an option. Certain seat parts are also said, (at least that is what someone told me) to be unobtainable such as hinges, seat lock plate, seat bracket etc. They may well be available to order as I got a bracket last year via Italy with no trouble, the only difference is it was not yellow passivated. Cams have no doubt been unavailable for a while and front floating discs. It's mostly the one off parts like the discs, cams and pistons which go to make the SPS what it is that have gone or are going to go. The radiators are all the same in the 748 range so that is nothing to worry about. You can still get the decals for the seat etc. so it might be a year or two before things get really tough on the totally unique parts. About 98\99% of an SPS is nothing special it's just different. In fact there are only less than a handful of totally unique parts that feature on no other model and that is the seat decal, the cams and pistons, anything else will have been on another bike. The discs were on 888's, so substitutions are possible. This will eventually affect everyone who has even a 748 bip\S\E and the only thing that will keep Ducati turning out parts for all these models is if there is a call for them. They did sell a lot of bikes overall in the 748-9** series.
Luckily I managed to get a full set of SPS T1 camshafts in great condition from fleabay a while ago. As far as im aware the SPS T1 camshafts where still available a couple of yrs back from ducati but at £300 each.After that wallet emptying experience I opted for a spare set as back up .Bad rocker wrecked one of mine and ducati got a replacement to me within a couple of weeks.Mind you at that price im not surprised they where keen to supply a replacement.
Not sure if the 916SPS cams are the same. I agree about cams though I got hold of a spare set along with some 748SPS pistons just in case anything did happen. The valves are slightly different as well as they have a different coating on the back of the valve that stock 748's don't seem to have, there is no difference in size though.
i am going to cornerspeed soon for a belt service and a look see, hope all is well inside. dont really want to be in position of having to source pistons and cams tho! i might get the seat decals as a spare then and potentially some discs longer term as no doubt the oe originals will wear down.
Just get some new discs and bobbins from these guys if they do wear out, it's the centres that are unique because of their style\design. They will laser cut some new ones. Welcome To The Disc Doctor.co.uk Custom Designed and Machined Brake Discs & Bike Parts.
I think it's a double edged sword, breaking a bike potentially keeps another on the road but I can't see the point in breaking a perfectly good bike with service history just for financial gain. On the up side the value of complete examples becomes higher.
"if people are stupid enough to pay more than brand new part from official dealers then they deserve everything they get." really?..what a wonderful outlook. personally id rather educate fellow riders etc so they can avoid being ripped by peeps whose sole reason for living appears to be entirely greed driven.
I couldn't care less about stupid people paying over the odds.Nobody is forcing them to buy these over priced parts lmao. If people are to lazy to pick up a phone and ring there nearest official ducati dealer then tough.How hard is it to ring someone like JHP and check price lol. At the risk of repeating myself if people are selling a nice bike but get shite offers why wouldn't they put a bit more extra work in and sell it in parts.If they get better money that way good luck to them.For all those saying should not break a good bike then we will have to agree to disagree on this one lol. Especially as some parts are no longer available so only option will be to find a ducati breaker.Maybe you guys should ring them up and tell them what you think of them breaking ducatis.Im sure they will have a interesting reply for you.
Lifes not all about money though! Some people may not care about paying more, it's the principle of blatantly being ripped off...quite frankly its insulting! Everyones entitled to make a quick buck, however doing it responsibly and fair is the way to do it. Businesses don't become successful by blagging their way through and puling the wool over people's eyes.
