Don't know what the French authorities are playing about at, a few machine gun towers at calais would sort them out easy.
If it were illegal immigrants trying to get out of the UK into France do you think we would try to stop it???
I don't blame them for not stopping them but it is getting a bit more nasty and a lorry driver or tourist is going to get hurt, i saw the Police justing sitting there chatting while the illegals walk all around the vehicles, I got stuck in a farmers blockade, once again the police just watch while the whole area comes to a stand still. I know the Torys will sort it out :Nailbiting: (we could all have a few more neighbours in our streets)
No we wouldn't. But i tell you this. The French riot police would be deployed to make any illegal visitor very unwelcome. Something along the lines of the old footie chant, "your going home in a blue and white ambulance"
The UK need's to come down very hard, I still think they should never have built the Tunnel as we are now connected. I wonder how UKIP would do if there was a national vote now
The trouble is that the French police cannot arrest anyone for trying to get to the UK as it is not an offence in France. They will not arrest anyone for walking around a lorry either. If they were to start arresting these people for the sake of it and locking them up, then the French would be up in arms about of feeding them while they were locked up costing the tax payer money. I think that UK taxpayers would feel the same.
All France's land borders are open nowadays. Anybody can walk across them any time, anywhere, without passport or customs checks, whether moving in or out. So the UK obsession with policing our chunnel crossing must seem bonkers, and antiquated. No wonder the French government, and taxpayers, don't want to pay for it.
I've just got back from a trip to Belgium and the traffic this side of the tunnel is horrendous. Yesterday on route out we had only about an hour delay on the m20 and then 1.5hrs at the terminal. Today drove straight through at Calais without even a passport check from the French and literally straight on a train. All good we thought, landed UK side at 11.30am and arrived home in Nottingham 15 mins ago......over six hours to get 200 miles It took us circa 3 hours to move 20 miles initially, the roads are bonkers down there at the moment with the m20 shut so unless you're on a bike I'd avoid like the plague
Do Syrians require a visa to enter the EU ? If so why isn't the legal status of those "refugees" in Calais being checked ? I find myself in agreement with Harriet Harperson who said that these people should be either applying for asylum in France or being deported from the EU. Although I do realise that the obvious follow up question is "where to ?".
A Syrian would find it very difficult to get a permanent UK visa, but due to the situation there it's quite probable they would be granted temporary asylum. It's a very difficult situation with no clear or easy answer. For the sake of everyone I hope it's resolved soon, but I fear it won't be.
France will not check the legal status of these people because they are getting nothing from France. They are entitled to nothing from the system here as they have put nothing in so are not registered here. If they were to apply for asylum in France and were given it, then they would be entitled to move anywhere in Europe so would all head for the UK where they will get financial support from that country, and where the wanted to be in the first place. The problem lays with the UK being soft on these people, and their relatives and friends who have got in, passing this information back to them. You need to think of them as coming from the European mainland rather than France as they are free to cross any border here in Europe apart from the UK. The ideal situation would be to allow them into a holding facility in Kent and then process them from there, that way those the have entered illegally have then committed a crime under UK law and the appropriate action could be taken and those that are genuine could remain under the official UK rules. Just because other countries have allowed the UK border agency to operate on their sovereign soil does not mean that the responsibility for these people has been shifted to the donor of that permission.
I'm sure we all have a lot of sympathy for the people living in Kent, near the channel tunnel. Such a shame that politicians rarely deliver in full on their pledges: "Mr. President, I hope that after all these years the link will at last be built and that it will change the lives of people on both sides of the Channel. When we met last month, on that magnificent day in Lille, attention was understandably focussed on the benefits the Link will bring to the people of Northern France. As we meet today, in this ancient city of Canterbury, in the very heart of the region of Britain most directly affected by the Link, I should like to address a few words to the people of Kent. Many of you are concerned about the consequences the Link will have for the local environment and for employment in the area. Let me assure you the Government is alive to your concerns. Environmental impact is one of the factors which we took particularly into account in our selection of the Channel Tunnel Group Scheme, and we shall ensure that everything possible is done to mitigate the environmental consequences. We are also determined to do whatever is necessary to improve the local road network, so that there can be rapid and uncongested access to the Link. " Margaret Thatcher; Speech signing Channel Fixed Link Treaty; Feb 12 1986
Bonkers and Antiquated it may appear but I think the point will come when Europe realises the mistake it made.
That may be your opinion and you are entitled to that, but you are speaking from outside mainland Europe. I can assure you that the open borders between countries on this side of the channel is very popular with most people. It is thanks to Europe that I was able to come and live here.
Were Rosbifs not allowed to live in La Belle France before the EU ? Open borders within the EU should not be used as an excuse to not guard the external borders and hold to account people who are within the EU without any legal right to be there. Does France have the rule of law or not ?
Yes we were allowed to live in France before the EU but we had to meet criteria to live here and hold a residence permit back then. As an immigrant in those days you could also be kicked out. You will find that the external borders of the EU are not open, just the internal ones, and they are guarded just as they have always been. And you question about the rule of law is that all of the people trying to get to the UK have not broken the French law as it is not illegal in France to try and exit the country, the UK has a law that illegals must not enter but that is not a law that the French will enforce. The trouble with all of this chaos in the Kent/Calais area is that the media twist everything and like to put the blame on someone else. I have seen life from many perspectives having served Queen and country for many years and lived in the UK, lived in Germany and 11 years in France now.
