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Ducati: The Sound Of A New Era Is Coming. New V4 Release?

Discussion in 'Front Page Articles' started by Rob, Aug 1, 2017.

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  1. Yes I also loved the air-cooled clutches and enjoyed fiddling with them to totally use up all the plates and efforts to cut the rattling and hub wear?
    laser cut the steel plates, and packed the heights to get the anti-lock clutches to work properly??
    but must have cost lots of sales? too expensive to not look after, in service and parts?
     
  2. I saw this coming? made sure I got plenty of twins, got a couple, I agree with you?
     
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  3. Simply with the older generation dukes and just about including MTS1200 pre DVT , you could appreciate and feel the individual up and down motions going on in each cylinder, the torque that each firing of the cylinder brought to you when accelerating, or even at a standstill . I find this sensation has been taken out of the DVT, hence to me and in my opinion only ,what i call a loss of charecter.
     
  4. You're entitled to your opinion, of course. My opinion is otherwise. And by the way Ducati are selling more bikes per year now than they have ever sold in their history, and have their highest market share ever - so perhaps I am not alone.
     
  5. Correct, that is my opinion, and i think that a lot of the increasevin sales is from customers duying their first ducatis moving over from mainly japanese marques. I think those new customers stayed away from ducati with the dry rattling clutches, heavy clutch action, much more difficult in urban environments than IL4s. But extra sales is the name of the game.
     
  6. Rode the tuono 1000 v4 a few years back & yes the V4 is music. Trouble is when it arrives how many guinea pigs. Surely cannot be perfect out the box. Be nice if it was though.
     
  7. So Ducati are switching to a v4 because they feel they have developed the twin to its maximum potential and want to win in wsbk,well Aprilia don't seem to be doing a great job with a v4,lets hope Ducati build a good one.
     
  8. Their MotoGP ones seem better/faster than anyone else's and we haven't seen any of those self-detonating for ages
     
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  9. The view of such motorcycles as tractors is an easy error adopted by consumer motorcyclists. You must be talking horse power and acceleration, I suppose. I'm talking a ride on two wheels.

    I notice you dint say Norton Commando, though. Easier and cheaper to keep in top notch condition for riding. Lovely availability of parts, top quality ones, to fit on the frame, or in the cases. Lovely ride on B roads. Fine tourer.

    Anyway, Not so regarded (as tractors) by the people who own and prefer to ride them, and they obviously know better; also they appear to be content riders, maybe more so.

    (Sure you know all that... (-: Thought I'd add balance for readers).
     
  10. The L4 (see what I did there?) is indeed being release in September at Misano.
    The Scrambler 1100 and 959 Corse edition will be at EICMA, and possibly other stuff too...
     
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  11. Nope they are old tractors - including the Commando.
    Silly narrow heavy wheels 19" diameter etc, crap old narrow tyres, crap brakes, pegs touch down at even moderate lean angles, antiquated geometry and (crap) suspension, silly old carburettors and naff electrics, oh and heavy as a house too.

    At best they are quaint old antiques to enjoy a Sunday thrum, in good weather, in the daylight, with a breakdown number on speed dial. Comparing any old stuff to anything post-2000 is a joke really.

    There, someone had to say it.
     
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  12. You're obviously entitled to enjoy, or otherwise, any style of bike that takes your fancy. But most of your comments are either misconceived or just plain factually incorrect.
    1. 3.25/3.50 x 19 tyres are perfectly adequate for the weight, performance and handling characteristics of the bikes in question. It would of course be preferable to avoid tyres with 30-year-old rubber formulas (and even more preferable to avoid actual 30-year-old tyres ;-) ), but traditional Avon Roadrunners are perfectly fine for normal road use on my 1972 Fastback. Admittedly TT100s offer a more "specialist" experience ...
    2. I don't know what you regard as a "moderate" lean angle, but remember that these bikes as standard were sold as general purpose tourers -- if memory serves the only British bike from that era that was supplied with clip-ons and rear sets as standard was the Velocette Thruxton.
    3. "heavy as a house"? Have you tried picking up a Multistrade? I have (it's -- just -- possible). In contrast I can easily lay my Commando on its left footrest, and then tilt a bit further (so that it is about 100º from vertical) to get at the secret extra reserve in the petrol tank, and then set it back on its wheels.
    4. Geometry is only antiquated in relation to other features such as tyre section/diameter, weight distribution, etc.
    5. In contrast, the points about suspension, lights and (with reservations) carbs are perfectly fair -- but have you taken a close look at (say) a 750ss?

     
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  13. I forgot to reply to the point about brakes. Period 2ls drum brakes are variable in quality, but the best designs are more than adequate to weight and performance. The usual caveats apply about being correctly set up and maintained, and arguably this is more demanding than with discs.

    On the other hand, the factory disc brake on Commandos was a seriously retrograde step -- it makes just about every possible design error and is indeed woeful. Notwithstanding this, standard master cylinders with their bore reduced from 5/8" to 1/2" are said to make a big improvement even with the standard caliper. However, I have preferred to go to a UJM master cylinder (1/2" bore) with a modern replica of the period production racer AP caliper.
     
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  14. If they build a version of this motor into something on the lines of the ST2/3/4 range they might actually sell me one. But if all they offer is the silly pointy, sharp-cornered bodywork of current models, not.
     
  15. HAHA!!! Must be cheap moonshine season where you live?

    They are neither misconceived nor factually incorrect - I had exclusively old British bikes until I changed to exclusively Ducatis about 25 years ago, and yeah a 750SS too - which a forum member bought and still enjoys.

    What a nut! :joy::sob:
     
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  16. Hahaha!!! OK this must be a wind up!
     
  17. True, not emotionally nice but exactly true, ??Nortons 1972 Combat drove me to buy a Ducati (the memory of it did) first Ducati an F1, second a Superlight
    Reliability didnt improve much?, but everything else did? got 2 Nortons in the box, haven't taken them out! stops them rusting
     
  18. comment on the brakes is spot on
     
  19. its not a wind up, green asbestos race linings and careful set up, exactly as stated
    I remember 650 Bonnies beating disc braked Mach 1's around Pukekohe, finishing with 50% foot pegs, and believe me it was not done on power or speed
    Norton disc brakes never had the bite of modern bike; and at the time most riders didnt realize this?
    the chrome over ductile iron rotors and the poor area ratios meant Norton brakes no so good as fitted standard
     
  20. thats it lads, keep on topic.
     
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