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Discussion in 'Trackdays & Rider Skills' started by Advikaz, Jun 21, 2020.

  1. One of the darkest comedies in years. You will feel slightly sick at points...
     
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  2. Sally4ever?
     
  3. I suppose this could also be applied to the groups on a day....
     
  4. So this begs the question that surely if you’ve got a national licence, or at a particular level of ACU you should be prevented from accessing a normal punter day UNLESS they set aside a group specific for them...
     
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  5. Same woman. She has done 3 or 4. Very dark mind, that woman!
     
  6. Hottrax used to, and NL have ime when it’s been in the lead up to a race weekend. They add a fourth group and cut back the time. Does t stop super fast Bemsee rider pitching up in novice because it was sold out and using her/his DL

    imho policing in groups is the only way and treating it as dooglaman described: being willing to kick people off or, if they turn up having booked novice and clearly they aren’t, send them home with no refund.

    But NL etc are running a business: they can’t piss too many off. And if you truly stopped ‘racers’ on trackdays, they’d be half full
     
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  7. Clearly there is a need for club/national/international riders to have track time outside official testing and race days so why not add that class to your business model and run focussed (no pun intended) days and make that choice to separate them. As has been said, IME policing and disciplining does appear to take a back seat to commercialism. Andy
     
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  8. i guess also the Policing people are also generally "racers" out for some free time...
     
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  9. *Jewell walks in and waves*
     
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  10. I remember when you had a cagiva 125
     
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  11. Yep, DSC Forum. Cagiva Mito....17 years ago.
     
    #171 Jewell, Jun 25, 2020
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  12. As I’ve said in previous posts, I 100%agree that policing is the only way! Bad,inconsiderate and dangerous riding has absolutely nothing to do with what licenses you have! A twat is a twat and probably always will be! The responsibility lies squarely with the TDO! I’m afraid saying they’re in business to make money is simply not good enough! You ride like that you get warned once then banned for life! The suggestion of a database is precisely what is needed! You can say what you like about Kevin Healy but I’ve listened to him get on the phone to Simon Buckmaster at a donny trackday and proper get down on him! Finished by saying “get you’re riders and all you’re gear and piss off now!! This was after two of his Bsb riders (james Ellison and someone I can’t remember were obviously racing each other and sure enough it resulted in Ellison unable to stop on the back straight and taking out two innocent guys! Disgraceful behaviour!
     
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  13. I was about to write something along the lines of @Philm above, but he summed a lot of it up already.

    Its nowt to do with licence/ability and more to do with attitude. Just because you are lightening fast, doesnt mean you have to prove it on every corner
    when on trackdays. I've dabbled with racing in Scandinavia the last few years, but have always had a "different head on" when trackdaying
    compared to race time. Sure, occasional mistakes can be made when there are big speed discrepancies between riders, but carving folk up lap after lap, corner after corner is something different and TDO need to police the riders involved. If folk can't keep it civil, then they should be removed from the event. There are plenty of wickedly fast riders that can remain polite and still circulate at unachievable speeds for us mortals.
     
    #173 990Glen, Jun 25, 2020
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  14. You have hit the nail on the head - “a twat is a twat and probably always will be”

    I have an uncle who I love dearly but definitely fits that description in so many ways.

    He gave me my first experience of motorcycles - at the age of 8 he took me for a pillion ride through the middle of Lichfield at 100mph. All I can remember is being terrified out of my wits that I would fall off.

    Years later after I had finally got my full licence I found myself in the position of him offering me a lift home on the back of his Blackbird. I accepted with trepidation - I have always hated being a pillion. Of course history repeated it’s self - this time through lincolnshire villages - slowing down to 100 through the 30mph zones.

    He simply couldn’t help himself - always has to act like he has something to prove - one example would be driving like a lunatic while towing my dad in a broken down car - and when coming to a junction - turning his lights off and driving straight over without slowing down - at the end of the journey he was grinning - waiting for the reaction....

    Someone with his personality on a track simply wouldn’t be able to not race - winning would be the only thing that mattered - considerations of danger to himself and others simply wouldn’t come in to it. Anyone complaining would be met with laughter - all part of the game.

    I see elements of this personality type in the trackday addicts facebook group. People post videos that receive plenty of criticism from experienced riders and novices alike. But despite a large number of comments along the lines of ‘you are a dangerous idiot’ these posters simply cannot accept that their behaviour is in any way wrong. Their ego’s simply don’t allow for the possibility that they might be the dickhead that the vast majority of people are calling them so they choose to ignore them in favour of the few like minded idiots who give them praise.

    You aren’t going to change such people - they need policing and eventually banning if they don’t curb their behaviour.

    More critically given the psychology of the herd we need to change the culture associated with trackdays. Briefings need to be better, focused on the fact that we are all there to enjoy ourselves and go home safe at the end of day - and if people flout that they need to be pulled off track and warned. We are all told not to stand someone up in a corner and keep our distance- but I have seen an obvious inters rider racing his 2 mates at Cadwell in a novice group, block passing a true novice through chicane with the marshals watching and they didn’t bat an eyelid.

    The problem is endemic to the industry and hope it can be recognised and fixed before the number of deaths rises.

    Sorry for the long wordy post.
     
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  15. Lol did you also have a vfr400 by any chance??
     
  16. Yep.
     
  17. Think you bought it off my uncle. Know who you are now.
     
  18. @Advikaz I'm no way putting this on you or anything but if you are doing some instructing I’d assume you might be in a position to give some feedback to the organisers about getting really strict on the behaviours leading to this and to take the money out of the equation. Write into the T&C’s that if people are a dick they go home and they don’t come back. It’s not just no limits, I was on a FE day (the one and only) at Silverstone when the new layout first opened and it was crammed with de puniet, Laverty, and a load of others and it was another horrid day of being put into lower inters (of the 4 groups) which actually then was half full of club racers.

    the last really good day I was on was MSV at Caldwell, they actually ran a good couple of days, very few accidents etc
     
  19. Who gave them the go ahead to go out on a track event in the first place?
     
  20. Gosport?
     
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