PMSL :) - Stoner dosnt hold back :)

Don't disagree with you Damo, they've both said things that they probably shouldn't have, and I can't remember who said what first. However, I do believe that when your job is as inherently as dangerous as theirs then a bit more respect should be shown by both parties, Rossi for Stoners obvious ability, and Stoner for Rossi's achievements.

 

I think Rossi was right tho....remember why he left Honda? To prove it was the rider that made the difference, and not the bike. Well much as I like Rossi, if you look at the evidence, ie Stoner could and did win on the Ducati and Vale cant even get in on the podium, it sort of bites Rossi on the arse doesnt it ? Remember, on the bike that Rossi tested at Valencia at the end of 10 and couldnt do better than 16th, Stoner had won 5 races on........and the last 3 on the trot iirc......

 

There will always be differing opinions as to who is the best, it has happened throughout history, and I guess we will all have our favourites. I don't deny that Rossi is my favourite of these two, but that is because he has done so much more over a longer time. You don't win as many titles as he has without an incredible talent. Im just sad that he couldn't turn the Duke into the world beater we all wanted to see again. As Nicky said to me in 2009 " my dream is to see Rossi on the Ducati and winning the world title" and I agreed with her. Now we are just sad it didn't happen. I guess a lot of these comments made by both parties are designed to stir up the interest amongst the public to get them to buy mags etc which obviously works. I will still be supporting Rossi next year on the Yam but want to see the Duke up there challenging for podiums and the championship, whoever is riding.

 

Damo, I agree with what you put in post 23. Rossi and JB have failed to get the Duke back despite saying it would be simple and deserve criticism just for those comments alone. As has been said on here before, who got it wrong the factory or VR and JB? Maybe we would have been better if they'd not joined up and just left us wondering " what if"?

 

And Stoner wonders why most of the world thinks he's a complete arse?

Sometimes in life it's better not to say what you are thinking.

 

I think Rossi went to Duke at the wrong time in his career. We can never know how much things like the Simmo crash took out of him mentally or how much he has asked for and not got, but maybe 3 or 4 years ago the tale might be a different one.

The bike clearly had issues when Stoner rode it and maybe they were issues Ducati were not prepared to iron out (engine config etc). Whatever happens you have to credit Stoner for being able to ride round it and collectively blame Rossi, Burgess and Ducati for not ironing it out. If it were simple and Ducati so wonderful to work and develop with Casey would not be on a Honda.

Either way Casey's comments are largely true he just omitted any mitigating circumstances but true or not it won't win him any firends simply by the way he delivers the comments. Rossie/Biaggi, Rossi/Gibernau, they were all bitter rivals but barbed comments were always delivered in a media savvy way. Casey just doesn't have that and it's largely why he takes the flak he does.

Casey comments are always tinged with the bitterness that he doesn't feel he is recognised for his achievments by the public in the way that Rossi and Lorenzo are and i'm convinced it's part of why he is walking. He is right but he is also part of the cause.

 

difficult to fault the issue, though...

i do agree with St that Rossi has been the worst thing happening to Ducati ever since they entered MGP ..
He led them to a place that is so un-Ducati ( alu frames? ), leaves the effort in dissarray and shambles and now says " CU, tx for the millions.."
i can only remember 2 accounts of him fighting hard... over place 6 at best... the rest of the time we can be thankfull for Nicky to put in most of the effort to figth...
for however short it lasted , he at least pushed it...

grtz

Koen

 

One of the main reasons Rossi is the star that he is, is that he has known how to play the media for his advantage, his sponsors' advantage, his employer's advantage, motorcycling's advantage, and his competitors' detriment.

Pedders could have won all that Rossi has won - he would never be the global superstar that Rossi is because he is not a media friendly personality (and nor, apparently, is Stoner).

To be someone in the media, you have to open your gob. It cuts both ways. If Ali shouts "I'm the greatest and I'm gonna destroy him in round 3" and then gets floored in the first, he looks like a fool.
Rossi has opened his gob often enough, to his advantage, and has successfully played mind games with most of his opponents, to his advantage. It seems perfectly normal for some of this to come back at him from Stoner now. Rossi is king of damning with faint praise, or otherwise increasing his status at others' expense. He is a competitor and it partly goes with the territory. Stoner and Rossi are not best mates, but Rossi has always refused to be best mates with anyone who could beat him. I have said before that I doubt his friendship with SuperSic would have lasted if the latter started to beat him regularly on equivalent machinery.

For me, this takes little away from Rossi and nothing away from Stoner. It's all fair dos. What do people expect, a love-in?

 

There are no what ifs. Neither Rossi or Burger Performed , they were shite.
Burger says that the bike is only 1% off," yeah right", sounds like the sort of thing someone would say to cover their arse if it starts performing with a new rider.
I've nothing against Rossi as a racer and can appreciate his talent (possibly now washed up) ,But as I've said he has had sorted machinary and never had to deal with something that required more input than a quick twirl of a rebound adjuster.
Casey's comments are completely founded and shot straight from the hip, no fucking about. That makes him twice the man Rossi will ever be. Theres no place for hand wringers or pencil necks in bike racing , I hope somebody with his attitude will be along to replace him sometime soon .

 

I doubt it. Being media savvy is part of being a professional and most riders learn that very quickly especially if they come through the Italian/spanish home grown series where sponsorship is still fairly strong.

If you have a special talent it might outweigh your lack of marketability, but the those riders don't come along very often. If you have both well the roads are paved with Gold.

 

He's been less that kind about Honda already, mainly about chatter. I have to say its one of the many reasons why I like Stoner. The man is just black and white, no grey. I wish more people were like that

 

So what we're saying is that Stoner's still whingeing...

 

...who'd have thunk it.

I hope Adriana is ready for the whiney little Aussie to be under her feet all day every day next year. She'll be the only person he can moan at then.

 

but it didn't stop him from winning ... i may not ask him on my next BBQ but he doesn't talk the PR talk... what he say does stick... and at least , as a enthousiast, if he says its chatters, then the bike chatters...
he moaned on the ducati but won... when he didn't it's when fell of trying... and not 4 places behind his team mate ... he' not as all time proof as Rossi, but i do respect him ... whyning or not whyning is not a factor when riding...

 

What a load of shyte!!!! Have you actually followed the racing over the last few years??????

 

Personally, I couldn't trust anyone who only wins 2 titles then runs away...

 

Stoners trying to back track now on what he said and what mcn printed, It's something to do with rossi's helmet in italian "let's stick together"
Which has nothing to do with ducati!

 

Cal's announced He's not going to Ducati on twitter. Thank feck for that!