Indeed. The whole thrust of the criminal justice system is that AFTER people have committed crimes, the police catch them, the courts convict them, and the judges sentence them to punishments authorised by parliament. The system was never designed to anticipate and forestall prospective offences not yet committed. That's why it is so difficult to find ways of dealing with terrorist suicide bombers. When terrorists want to kill hundreds or thousands of people, ex post facto enforcement is not good enough, and in any event no punishment could deter a suicide. Hence the focus on arresting lots of suspects for planning, preparing, conspiring, etc terrorist offences, but it is difficult to find enough solid evidence to justify a conviction, or even a prosecution. The occasional lone maniac (like this week's) is rarer, and in the scheme of things obviously a far less significant problem.
I could'nt agree more, why should this lowlife have tv, snooker 3 meals aday cut his bits off let him bleed to death slowly, bastard
Shadow hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately taking to moral high ground is never easy, while a Daily Mail "burn 'em" knee jerk is. Taking his life would in no way appease the two dead WPC's or in any way make the crime right, it would simply shorten his sentence. It is fair to say he can never walk in decent society again but in this instance a life imprisonment (meaning life) with the minimum requirements for a human existence would be appropriate. He should also not be allowed contact with other prisoners to whom he may be some kind of twisted 'hero' You know, scratch that, there is no punishment that fits - anything we could do as a society cannot undo the damage he has done, there is no punishment that fits the crime including death. This was a tragic waste to two bright young lives of the very best kind, bought about by a rancid example of life of the very worst kind. Having a very close female friend of a similar age working for the police it does hit very close to home, as its extremely easy to superimpose her face onto the dead WPC's and really begin to appreciate, if not understand what utter devastation it would cause, its simply unthinkable. (I dont believe anyone can ever understand that kind of grief without experiencing it) We take our Police force for granted, its a shame it takes something like this to happen before we really realise how vital they are. R.I.P Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone.
Some very reasoned answers on both sides. However, if that was my daughter lying dead I would want the same for him. I would not want my life haunted by that scum being in the news for the rest of his/my life. I would want him dead and buried so I could move on. As ex-military I would have no issue in doing it myself. I agree that we live in a society that we should be proud of, and have a justice system that does it's best to see that justice is done fairly. But in this situation I can see no problem with capital punishment. A slippery slope maybe, but society is changing and maybe the justice system needs a re-think..
Andrew Mitchell should not have insulted Police Officers regardless. But to do it so soon after the tragic loss of the 2 officers is unbelievable: BBC News - Police Federation calls for Andrew Mitchell to quit over outburst
Step back from the emotion and sentiment, and this is nothing more than the latest incarnation of the modern evil - Political Correctness, aka the terrible, haunting fear that someone might have offended someone else What happened was terrible, agreed, but does that mean we all have to tiptoe around Policing matters for a set time? How long do we have to leave it before we can dare to say something that might upset a bobby? If it wasn't for the Manchester tragedy this wouldn't have raised much coverage at all. We sleepwalk into this bland, dumbed-down, inoffensive world where everyone is so shit scared of upsetting someone else that we can't cope with anyone who says what they think, and people with an opinion are considered to be ogres!
A case of rudeness & a misplaced sense of self importance,combined with not thinking before acting. I'd like to think political correctness is a different issue to decent manners & common respect for each other. Mitchell himself has admitted showing a lack of respect.
I wouldn't have minded if he's accused the officer of being officious, or told him to stick his advice up his bum. But if he really did call him a pleb and that he "should know his place" then that is indeed indicative of hideous snobbery and what he really thinks of a large amount of the population he was elected to help govern. That to me makes him a fully paid-up turd and i would hope he would be got rid of. Cameron must be thinking, "with friends like these, who needs the Labour Party?"
Quite, but that's a different matter? The thrust of the original argument and all the fuss was that he'd said something nasty about or to a policeman so soon after the events in Manchester The point you seem to imply - that he's a sneering old-school Tory plutocrat who looks down on those he considers to be "ordinary" - is valid, but different from where the media are going with the story And as usual, the Police Federation are quoted as though they are some sort of authority on what's right Vs what's wrong They are the copper's trade union! I wonder if Unite and co will ever be credited with such a soapbox to speak to the nation!!??
While the police seem to have reverted to being top of the pops after the Manchester events, it was only a week before that they were getting an almighty raspberry because of the Hillsborough findings. As you say, it's a media "story" in which some species of fiction is woven around events for our entertainment and probably specious understanding of the nature of what goes on in the world. I see 3 unrelated events: A corrupt police force a decade ago which didn't want to take a rap. A murderous pyscho. A condescending Tory politician who shouldn't be elected to represent anyone.
Makes no difference to me whether he is phycotically sick or sane , and how many people want to uphold human rights or lock him up for good to show what a civilised society we are. I'd double tap the fucker,end of.
Sorry that was very uncivilised of me . No I'd sit him down,give him a good talking to ,then let him go ,"because it's against is uman rights mister" OH and then when he comes to your neighbourhood and kills your wife,son or daughter, then we'll give him a fair trial , because we dont live in the dark ages or are as brutal as the muslim countries. Then we'll treat the next nutter leniently ,then the next then the next. But if you offend anyone on the social networks we'll ave you locked up so fast your feet wont touch the ground :frown:
One thing that bothers me psycho guy was on bail as he was suspect in two other murder/man slaughter/assault charges. Ok not enough proof to start court fine with that. However he was suspect in serious crimes so why no one kept proper tabs on him? He managed to get a gun and granades while on bail which possession off in it self is big crime? Or did miss something (been working most of this week)?
I wondered that Luca the man was wanted for possible killings of two men So why were these lasses sent to him. Wasnt he the guy who members of the public were told not too approach??
I don't think there was any suggestion that Cregan was at the property where the police officers were killed, according to the reports I've read it was a reported burglary that they'd been sent to investigate and were ambushed,
