Valencia 2015 Qualification And Race - There Will Be Spoilers!!

Spoonz · Nov 13, 2015

timberwolf said: ↑

Speaking of touring countries, Spain/Italy/France etc, the one thing I notice is a lack of sportsbikes. Not many to be seen compared to cold wet blighty yet they dominate. Yes I agree the folks tend to be more receptive to sportsbike riders but where are all their bloody sportsbikes? :Meh:
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They have a 100 bhp limit on bikes (law changes soon) so most sports bikes would be severely restricted and therefore pointless. There are a fair few 600's but mostly big tourers.

chizel · Nov 13, 2015

rcv4 said: ↑

So are you going to share this new evidence??? Were the CIA or KGB or MFI involved.
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i used to be the head of the KGB.. (well the KGBbq kiwi gourmet bbq but i still know stuff!) no new evidence has come to light as far as we are aware.. her point was top marks to mm for being an arse and doing what ever he thinks necessary to promote his cause... i cant argue with that

Exige · Nov 13, 2015

Lightning_650 said: ↑

Oh dear....
Your "face palm" hasn't upset me in the least,as I've already stated,and I've no idea why you've become fixated on the idea that it has.
I was/am genuinely interested in what others thought of a nationality limit,as a concept.
And I've already listed the reasons why I floated the idea,the main one being,would there have been such a furore if Rossi had been beaten by riders from 3 different nations at Valencia?
There was absolutely no need to go into the detail you have,(but it is appreciated nonetheless).
We have,like most people on here,a difference of opinion on various subjects,including this one.
I'm not at all unhappy that you have a different view on my suggestion.
Just a couple of things I picked up from your contribution though:
You've listed all of those bikes as "factory class",which they are,and that list of course includes the satellite teams .
But the term I used,(deliberately), was,"works rides".
The MotoGP website describes the difference thus:
"Satellite bikes are Factory bikes but they are leased (not sold) to other teams. There is usually some minimal support contract in place, but it varies. The bikes may start out as the same spec as the full-factory bikes, but are generally not updated throughout the season.. or minimally updated. It varies. In some cases the bikes may be the previous year's full-factory bike. It just depends on the agreements".
Bearing those things in mind,it is hardly surprising that the only bikes to have won anything are the,"Repsol Honda & Movistar / Yamaha Factory Racing",bikes you refer to,as they,plus Ducati and now Suzuki,are really the only ones capable of winning,in the dry anyway.
And those seats are currently occupied by three Spanish bottoms and one Italian,with three competitive also-rans also having Spanish pilots.
Is that unhealthy for the sport?.Judging by the reaction to the,(suspected),actions of the leading three at Valencia,many people may be thinking it is.
However as Glidd has pointed out,the fortunes of different nations brighten and fade over time,and perhaps the sun will not always shine on Spanish riders.
But...and it's a big but...Dorna are Spanish,and they own the rights to MotoGP.Repsol are Spanish and they sponsor Honda.Movistar is the main Spanish telephone operator,and they sponsor Yamaha.
In other words,all of the big movers and shakers in MotoGP are Spanish.And there are three MotoGP rounds held in Spain.
You are absolutely right when you state that there are commercial considerations taken in to account when riders are chosen.
So it would not be a surprise if,(IF),those commercial considerations were perhaps the deciding factor when, say,there were a number of riders of more or less equal ability being considered for the very small number of winning-capable bikes.
If the sponsors sell mainly into the Spanish market,then it's very possible that very good,(or perhaps better),riders are/were/may be overlooked, in favour of successful marketing into Spain.
Is that fair? Probably not.
Is life fair?.Definitely not.
Is there a remedy to the unfairness? Very possibly.
Is it likely that the remedy,whatever it is,will be applied?.Who knows.
Unless those riders get the chance of equal machinery,there will always be the plucky losers,also-rans and might-have-beens who MAY have been very successful given the chance.
Maybe they should force the works teams to provide more works bikes,or put an expenses cap on teams,or share sponsorship money,or whatever...myriad ways probably...of which my original suggestion was but one.
Please don't respond if you don't want to,and"face palm",away to your hearts content,if you feel the need...it doesn't,and won't, bother me in the least.
I've only quoted your post as it contained interesting facts that I felt worthy of response,and it certainly will not concern me if you are indifferent to anything I write
We quite often refer to each other in the workshop as ,"Old Bean"...it's a piss take of the upper classes,as we are usually covered in grease and wearing a boiler suit.
Please accept my apologies if being referred to in that manner has caused you offence,it was not intended.
And please revise the image of me in your head,as I am still wearing the aforesaid greasy boiler suit
There's a good chap...:Cigar:
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Sorry, didn't read it, but thought a face palm would be appropriate

Lightning_650 · Nov 13, 2015

Exige said: ↑

Sorry, didn't read it, but thought a face palm would be appropriate
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Bring it on,but bear in mind my finger is hovering over the nuke button.....:hearteyes:

chizel · Nov 13, 2015

didnt cal only get a ride at LCR because CWM (there main sponsor) wanted a brit? talent vs big business is not exclusive to spain in this sport...
what ever happened to CWM and their 15 odd members of staff arrested in london for dodgy dealings?

Lightning_650 · Nov 13, 2015

chizel said: ↑

didnt cal only get a ride at LCR because CWM (there main sponsor) wanted a brit? talent vs big business is not exclusive to spain in this sport...
what ever happened to CWM and their 15 odd members of staff arrested in london for dodgy deralings?
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is dodging der railings an offence? :Banghead:

chizel · Nov 13, 2015

Lightning_650 said: ↑

is dodging der railings an offence? :Banghead:
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you know what i meant meathead... english is my second language... gimme a break

Robarano · Nov 13, 2015

Exige said: ↑

Sorry, didn't read it, but thought a face palm would be appropriate
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Ooooooooo, you'll incur the wrath. :Nailbiting:

rcv4 · Nov 13, 2015

chizel said: ↑

i used to be the head of the KGB.. (well the KGBbq kiwi gourmet bbq but i still know stuff!) no new evidence has come to light as far as we are aware.. her point was top marks to mm for being an arse and doing what ever he thinks necessary to promote his cause... i cant argue with that
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Racing is like war,sometimes you have have win by any means....rossi has done it for years.

Exige · Nov 13, 2015

Robarano said: ↑

Ooooooooo, you'll incur the wrath. :Nailbiting:
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Nope :Cigar:

Exige · Nov 13, 2015

Cept from fluffs

chizel · Nov 13, 2015

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So, will Rossi clinch the championship at Valencia

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No way, Jorge

He won't even race

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