But it also WILL be good enough to keep the engine going for 100,000 miles plus if it's treated to the correct service schedules. And I'll guarantee that in a hundred years' time there WILL still be engines from this era still running despite the old-fashioned cooling media. It's good enough, water, if you look after it. And honestly, how hard is it to change the coolant once in a while..?
Quite so. Some people prefer carbon fibre to polycarbonate - not strictly necessary, but nice to have. I just don't want people to start thinking they have to have it; christ, biking is expensive enough as it is.
OK... OK... So water works as a coolant. A Model-T Ford works as a car... Steam engines work... But there are better things around - it's called "progress". I pressume, Fig, that you never leave any of your bikes anywhere where the temperature drops below freezing ?
I've ridden from London to Manchester when it was -12 deg, if that's what you mean. It was considerably colder when I set out on a cold engine. This is way before the advent of textiles too, the bike was a CX500 - it worked. I fail to see your point.
Very sound commercial sense if you ask me. Why would you want to tell potential competitors what you manufacture it from and how?
I did some research into the properties of Evans Waterless Coolants a few years ago now and came up with the fact that it is a PG based coolant (PG- Propylene Glycol) blended with inhibiters. I must admit it took quite a while to find it. Secret Squirrel's everwhere on this one.
They claim that it is patented. If Evans's formula is patentable and patented, they would not need to worry about competitors. The issue is that they don't want to tell potential customers what they are buying. If it is true that the product is largely Propylene Glycol, why would they be so reticent about saying so? I believe the traditional expression is "Pig in a poke".
As you know if you patent something you have to tell the world and his wife what you do and how you do it. And so when your patent expires then you can be copied. Our company has technology that we will not patent for that reason.
did i read some where you install chair lifts if so did you install nevis range, bit off topic just wondering.
Would this stuff assist me in preventing my bollocks and right leg from cooking during 30deg + days? If it doesnt then water is fine for me.
Fig : My point is that plain water in an engine left where the ambient temperature drops significantly below freezing will, eventually, suffer damage as the water freezes and expands within the engine, radiator and ascociated pipework. If you have never had that happen to you then you have been lucky. Trust me, where I work nobody would ever try to run an engine on just water - they put antifreeze in for a reason...
And why would motorcycle manufacturers ( and car, truck, plant, boat, ship etc manufacturers ) go to the additional expense of supplying brand new engines filled with anything other than water if they didn't think it was necessary ?
No it won't. It will however not produce any extra scale, since you didn't add any dissolved rocks into your engine. :biggrin:
The number one question I would ask is about it's ability to move heat...now I could go onto using a load of long words, but water has the ability to store a great deal of energy per gram per degree and the volume of the radiators, cylinder sleeves and pipes, together with flow rates have all been calculated (by the designers) around water. If not why don’t we just fill our radiators with WD40 (I’m joking). Now I like the idea of a non-corrosive fluid to move heat around, so what if it’s flammable and yes all liquids expand as they get warmer. Water is the only one to my knowledge that does it as it gets colder, hence ice damage. If I lived in a climate where my motorcycle could freeze then I would use this product for that reason alone. By no expansion I assume that they mean that the liquid does not have a vapor state below the engines maximum temperature. I would like to know what this “magic” liquid does to all the materials in the engine, including seals, gaskets, water pipes and pumps. On another matter all liquids will cavitate when chopped quickly. It sounds like a lot of BS is being said here, when just an honest explanation from the manufacturer would probably lead to more sales.
Yes, but no-one apart from idiots put plain water in their engines. It's always been accompanied by antifreeze and all sorts of other chemicals. The point I'm making is, if it has no performance benefits, and the existing alternative works fine, why spend the extra money? If you've got the money to lob away, or if like Arthur you have a genuine need to use it (in the mx bikes), then go right ahead. But nothing I've heard so far has convinced me of any benefit, however minor, for yer average road bike.
whatever next.... yous will all be putting slick 50 in your engines because oil company's know nothing lol
Arthur - I am interested in what you have to say about this product for one reason : Laverda Formulas have a very small expansion tank which is known to be a weak point in the cooling system - they crack. The accepted wisdom is that the tank should only ever be filled up as far as the lower level mark. I am curious to know if this "waterless coolant" actually is as good as some people claim, because if it really does not expand (or at least does not expand as much as water does) it may provide a solution to the problem. £50 for 4.5 litres (I believe I saw that price quoted somewhere) is actually an investment when viewed against the cost of replacing another expansion tank...
