There is such a thing as a high speed stall, which is different from a low speed stall, although the term high speed is misleading as it still can occur at a lowish speed. It is when over rotation results in a very high angle of attack and separation of the airflow over the top of the wing causes it to act more like a high drag parachute before eventually stalling conventionally with the nose dropping away. This happens when the stick is pulled hard back at low airspeed and the plane mushes through the air generating little or no lift, in this case into the ground flat and level, which is why the pilot survived the impact. I am not an expert but I do have stick and rudder time, and I don't mean on my computer
I would have thought a pilot would always aim to get away from trouble that will kill others before he ejects
possibly more like when we are told what they think happened. I don't think anyone on here is jumping to any concrete conclusions expert or otherwise, to me the plane was almost certainly doomed from the highest point of the manoeuvre onward. (MOO)
There was another pilot interviewed on the news this morning who said he had studied the various films and thought the pilot had done everything correctly but when he tried to throttle out at the bottom of the loop he appeared to lose power.
yt To me it looked like he knew that he was in big trouble , in the last few secs of the videos you could see the front / nose coming up , now me being an expert knows that that can cause loss of speed which ironically is the basic problem ,,,,,,,, tbh i doubt that he was hedin for the field but just tryin to get some hight . I wonder if there was a black box , to determine whither the engine had developed a fault
Take a look at 0:25 on that last vid, there was a hasty pull back on the stick, a high speed stall and the jet mushed / pancaked in to the ground. More thrust would have helped and possibly saved the situation but it just wasn't available, he was too low and too slow at that point.
Also pilots don't like to accept pilots fuck up and try to blame anyone or anything else; bit like motorcyclists in that respect.
I'm not saying the plane didn't stall...... .....I'm saying the wobble at the bottom of the dive isn't a stall...... ......it resembles a panic correction, a bit like what a motorist does when he momentarily drops off to sleep.
Aren't flight recorders a legal requirement in commercial and military aircraft in the UK? Or am I imagining that..
Remembering back to the helicopter crash on the Mull of Kintyre some years back it was said that military planes do not have black box ( i guess incase the russians got hold of one , sic !! ). Whither that applies to this incident i dont know , ex military , now cicilian ,,,, ????????????????????
In the Mull accident they could not understand / decipher why two supposed fully trained up / experienced pilots should fly smack into the face of a 300 ft cliff !!!!! Ok it was dark and foggy , but no decision was made on whether it was pilot error , instrument malfunction , a possible ( muted ) fire in the highly inflamable wiring , even as to whither the pilots had tried to pull out at the last minute ,,,,,,, the military concluded , with no evidence , that it was piolt error tho i think the parents are still fighting that .
...without wishing to go all PC the question begs to be asked: What the bloody hell do you think you're doing trying to pull an aerobatic loop in a built up area in a 60 year old fast, heavy jet? I'm sorry, I have the greatest of sympathy for all involved, but, that old adage of, "An accident waiting happen" has never been more fitting... I fear this will be the death knell for airshows as we know them. Very sad all round really
No. Transponders are but that is a different device altogether. I can't imagine a 50's jet will have a black box recorder. I thought that the pilots were vindicated a few years ago ??
